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Dear Information Commissioner,
I wish to make a complaint regarding Ceredigion Council not following the Freedom of Information Act in respect of requests made to them regarding Trawscymru bus services. The aspects I wish to complain about are:-
(1) The refusal on 10/08/2018Â to reply to all existing FOI requests and any future FOI requests regarding Trawscymru bus services
(2) Continual abuse of the 20 day FOI request reply rule
(3) Refusing to answer requests under the FOIA guidelines.
(4) Ignoring of FOI requests.
(5) Obstructive replies and incorrect replies.
(6) Failure to carry out internal reviews and failure to answer the questions that the reviewer was requested to examine..
(7) Failure to supply requested documention
In making this complaint I have aimed to restrict the facts presented to you to one Freedom of Information Request (781192). There are other examples in other requests regarding Ceredigion Council not following the Freedom of Information Act.
RESPONSIBILITY FOR SUPPLY OF INFORMATION REGARDING TRAWSCYMRU BUS SERVICES
The Trawscymru network is managed by the Trawscymru Network Manager who works for the Welsh Government and the Welsh Government provide all the funding for the Trawscymru bus services.   Ceredigion Council have a responsibility for Trawscymru bus services in that they manage the Trawscymru T5 and T1C contracts, (ie deal with the bus operator) and also represent the interests of passengers by sitting on Trawscymru Service Delivery groups for all the services that pass through Ceredigion (T1,T1C,T2,T5)    However neither the Welsh Government nor  Ceredigion Council wish to release information to the public regarding the Trawscymru Network.
Ceredigion County Council have said that the Welsh Government (Ken Skates â Minister for Transport) is responsible for changes to Trawscymru bus services (Ellen Ap Gwynne â Leader of Ceredigion Council on 30/05/2018 – see attached letter ellenapgwynne20052018) and Ceredigion County Council have subsequently said that the Welsh Government Trawscymru Strategic Management Board are responsible for Trawscymru service changes and T2/T1 connectivity in Aberystwyth (Alun Williams âCorporate Lead Officer For Policy and Performance for Ceredigion Council on 10/08/2018 – see attached letter ceredigionallun2will10082018).  The Welsh Government have said the opposite that responsibility for changes to Trawscymru services lies with the County Councils managing the Trawscymru service contract (see attached letter simonjones05062018). Therefore information requests to the Welsh Government and County Councils end up going in circles with each organisation saying the other is responsible.. Both the Welsh Government and Ceredigion Council are now employing tactics to avoid answering requests under FOIA guidelines â the Welsh Government by refusing requests saying requests are âvexatiousâ and Ceredigion Council by replying as a Customer Enquiry response (under the Ceredigion Council Customer Charter).
(1) THE REFUSAL BY CEREDIGION COUNCIL ON 10/08/2018Â TO REPLY TO ALL EXISTING FOI REQUESTS AND ANY FUTURE FOI REQUESTS REGARDINGÂ TRAWSCYMRU BUS SERVICES
On 10/08/2018 in a letter titled ââRE MATTERS OUTSIDE THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACTââ Ceredigion Council attempted to close all existing and future information requests by claiming that the Welsh Government had told Ceredigion Council that I was in direct contact with the Trawscymru Strategic Management Board who would address all further and future issues regarding Trawscymru bus services.
The letter of 10/08/2018 from Ceredigion Council (attached letter ceredigionallun2will10082018) typifies the attitude of ânot my responsibilityâ . Ceredigion Council said on 10/08/2018 that the Welsh Government had told them that I was in direct contact with the Trawscymru Strategic Management Board and that there were no further matters for Ceredigion Council to address. . Ceredigion Council went on to say that all existing and future matters would be addressed by the Trawscymru Strategic Management Board. This was totally incorrect.
The Welsh Government have refused to reply to a Freedom of Information request made on 13/07/2018 regarding the role of the Trawscymru Strategic Management Board and regarding the âhigh levelâ review to introduce Trawscymru T3 services from Aberystwyth to Wrexham .   I am also definitely not in direct contact with the Trawscymru Strategic Management Board.   (see the attached email below dated 25/08/2018 which requests that the Welsh Government carry out an internal review of the response to my request to the Welsh Government of 13/07/2018 titledâ. Why has Ken Skates âhigh level âreviewâ of the Trawscymru Aberystwyth to Wrexham route not been carried out? – internal review of ATISN 12559â).  On 14/11/2017 Ken Skates, Minister responsible for Transport in Wales wrote to Ceredigion County Council to say he had commissioned a âhigh levelâ review to introduce Trawscymru T3 services from Aberystwyth to Wrexham and that Ceredigion County Council would be involved in the âhigh levelâ review. . This âhigh  levelâ review has still not been carried out.   Since 14/11/2017 I have asked Ceredigion Council to provide progress on this âhigh levelâ review, which Ceredigion Council have refused to do
(2) CONSTANT ABUSE OF THE 20 DAY FOI REQUEST REPLY RULE.
Ceredigion County Council never reply promptly to FOI requests.
RECEIPT OF FOI REQUEST (781192) WAS ACKNOWLEDGED AFTER 16 WORKING DAYS. FOI request (781192) was then split into 5 questions which were replied to under FOI and the rest of the questions under the Ceredigion County Council Customer Charter.  The reply to the 5 FOI questions was provided after 19 working days. The internal review of the FOI element was received on 31/07/2018 (91 days after the request for internal review was made) and the review of the NON FOI element was received on 10/08/2018. There are other examples where Ceredigion County Council have not compliad with the FOIA guidelines on reply times.
(3) USE OF THE CEREDIGION COUNCIL CUSTOMER CHARTER FOR CEREDIGION SERVICE USERS.
Ceredigion Council are making an immediate judgement on receipt of a request. on whether they hold recorded information on questions.  If the question asked of Ceredigion Council requests the supply of a specific document then that is considered an FOI request.   If the question is a request for information (not documents) Ceredigion Council are not prepared to consider the question as an FOI request and treat the request as a Customer Enquiry.  The request is then split into an FOI response and a Customer Enquiry response, (under the Ceredigion Council Customer Charter for Ceredigion Service Users), with both responses from Ceredigion Council carried out by different people at different times . An example of such splitting is shown in Addendum 1 below relating to request (781192).
When the splitting of FOI requests was introduced in April 2018 I complained to Ceredigion Council but was ignored.  THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE RECEIPT OF THE REQUEST (781192). WAS MADE BY CEREDIGION COUNCIL ON 11/04/2018 16 WORKING DAYS AFTER THE REQUEST WAS MADE when Ceredigion Council said _ââPlease accept my most sincere apologies for the delay in acknowledging receipt of your correspondence dated 23rd March Unfortunately, due to annual leave and other work commitments I have been away from the office.  I can advise that your correspondence has been carefully considered and I am of the view that some elements of your correspondence should be considered under Freedom of Information legislation and others in accordance with Ceredigion County Councilâs Customer Charter as thes_e are considered to be enquiries rather than requests for information.â   I replied to Ceredigion Council on 12/04/2018 saying ââWOULD YOU PLEASE ARRANGE FOR EXAMINATION OF CEREDIGION COUNCILâS RECORDED INFORMATION AND ARRANGE FOR ANSWERS TO ALL MY 13 QUESTIONS AS A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST AND STATE WHERE YOU DO NOT HOLD INFORMATION AND AT THAT STAGE PROVIDE THE ANSWERS YOU WISH TO GIVE TO THOSE REQUESTS WHERE NO INFORMATION IS HELD.â
Ceredigion Council ignored my request and on 20/04/2018 (7 working days after acknowledgment and 19 working days after the request) provided a response to the queries in accordance with Ceredigion County Councilâs Customer Charter 23/03/2018.and to the 3 items considered to be an FOI request .
Splitting of FOI requests and replying under the Ceredigion County Councilâs Customer Charter for Service Users is being used to obstruct the release of information.
(4) IGNORING OF FOI REQUESTS.
On 20/05/2018 I wrote to Alun Williams of Ceredigion Council asking 25 questions regarding ââRecommended T3 route between Aberystwyth and Wrexham and lack of T2/T1 (Bangor to Carmarthen) connectivity in Aberystwythââ. This request (see addendum 2 below) was not acknowledged or replied to and in the letter from Ceredigion Council on 10/08/2018 (attached letter ceredigionallun2will10082018) under the heading 20TH MAY 2018Â the Ceredigion Council reviewer said âit is my view that these matters have been sufficiently addressed by Council officers previously.â
(5) OBSTRUCTIVE REPLIES AND INCORRECT REPLIES
See addendum 1Â Â Â (request 781192) and Questions 1, 5 and 6.
Ceredigion Council in Question 1 refuse to supply emails regarding Trawscymru bus timetable changes made in January 2018 because this would be a breach of confidence.   I believe that changes to bus timetables are not confidential and Ceredigion Council are being obstructive.
Ceredigion Council in Question 5 say in response to the request ââCeredigion Council do not hold a copy of this letterâ and in the internal review 91 days after the request was made said âThis letter has been issued to you previously by Clr Alun Williams.(NOT TRUE)  I am of the view that Ceredigion Council do hold the information and I provide a copy of the email as per your request â. The letter was then sent to me with a rebuke saying âyou should ensure you retain documents issued to you by the Councilâ. The initial response was incorrect, the reviewer was incorrect when he said I had already received a copy , and the reviewer was impertinent for making the comment about retaining documents . I was however supplied on 31/07/2018 with the letter albeit 91 working days after it was requested on 23/03/2018.
The Ceredigion Council response to Question 6 was truly obstructive .The first response was _âYou state in your correspondence of 23rd March that you already hold a copy of this letter. â This was not true and obviously not true by examination of the documentation . The reviewer was then given a clear explanation that I had only received 1 letter from Ceredigion Council (the letter from Ken Skates to Alun Williams) and my request was for the provision of the 2 letters from Alun Williams to Ken Skates. The reviewer insisted I had received a copy of the letter , made rude comments about retaining documents provided by the Council and then supplied me with a second copy of Ken Skates letter to Alun Williams. This was truly obstructive on the part of the reviewer.  I have still not received a copy of Alun Williams reply to Ken Skates letter of 14/11/2017 offering to involve Ceredigion Council in a âhigh levelâ review of Trawscymru T3 services from Aberystwyth to Wrexham.
(6) FAILURE TO CARRY OUT INTERNAL REVIEWS AND FAILURE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT THE REVIEWER WAS REQUESTED TO EXAMINE.
On 10/08/2018 Ceredigion Council sent a communication to me titled âRe Matters outside the Freedom of Infprmation Actâ in which, (amongst other subjects) , Ceredigion Council introduced the topic of 2 internal reviews of previous requests (the first relating to request Reference AD/13547 â âT3 route from Wrexham to Aberystwyth instead of Barmouth and T2/T1 connectivity in Aberystwythâ. and the second relating to request Reference 790340 â âLack of Connectivity in Aberystwyth T2 from Dolgellau to T1C for Cardiff for passengers North of Aberystwythâ).  The internal reviews had not been provided by Ceredigion County Council in the timescale of 20 working days as required by the FOI guidlines. In relation to the request for an internal review of 790340 made on 01/06/2018, Ceredigion Council wrote to me on 20/07/2018 (40 working days after the request for a review) to say ââI will ensure you receive a response in the next two weeksâ . The only response I received to the request for an internal review of 790340 was under the heading 1ST JUNE in the letter of 10/08/2018 titled ââRe Matters outside the Freedom of Infprmation Actâ.       The request for internal reviews of the two requests were made on 20/05/2018 for AD/13547 (58 working days before the Ceredigion Council recent communication of 10/08/2018) and on 01/06/2018 for 790340 (50 working days before the Ceredigion Council recent communication of 10/08/2018).. In their communication of 10/08/2018 Ceredigion Council ignored all the questions I asked the internal reviewer to cover in relation to the responses to my original FOI requests (FOI Reference AD/13547 and FOI Reference 790340). Ceredigion Council then went on to say ,in their communication of 10/08/2018, that they had no further comments to make . Ceredigion Council then explained in the letter (regarding matters outside the Freedom of Infprmation Act) that it is not always possible to resolve matters to the satisfaction of SERVICE USERS (IE CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL WERE NOT CARRYING OUT AN INTERNAL REVIEW OF THE 2 FOI REQUEST BUT WERE TREATING THE INTERNAL REVIEW AS A CUSTOMER ENQUIRY/ COMPLAINT UNDER THE CEREDIGION COUNCIL CUSTOMER CHARTER ).
(7) FAILURE TO SUPPLY REQUESTED DOCUMENTION
See addendum 1   (request 781192) and Questions 5 and 6 . The documentation requested in question 5 was supplied 91 days after the request was made.   Ceredigion Council have still not supplied the documentation requested in question 6 more than 100 days after the request was made.
REQUEST FOR INVESTIGATION
I would request that the Information Commissioner investigates the non compliance with the FOIA guidlines by Ceredigion Council. I would also point out to the Information Commissioner that the behaviour of Ceredigion Council followed on from the Welsh Government successfully employing refusal to answer Freedom of Information requests on the grounds that they were “vexatious”.  This “vexatious” excuse was first used by the Welsh Government on 19/02/2018 and Ceredigion Council began using Customer Enquiry responses, (under the Ceredigion Council Customer Charter for Ceredigion Service Users), on 11/04/2018 when they acknowledged my request of 23/03/2018 (after 16 working days of deliberation) .  Ceredigion Council could not use the “”vexatious” excuse because the Welsh Government evidence for “”vexatious” behaviour all related to Simon Jones (Welsh Government Director of Transport) knowledge of the details of a complaint of Breach of the Ministerial Code by his Minister, (made in October/November 2017), which rather oddly was dealt with by the same Simon Jones.  If the Question of “vexatious” requests had been dealt with in Feberuary 2018, I do not believe Ceredigion Council would have been tempted to behave in the way they have done.
Yours Sincerely ,
Dr John McTighe
ADDENDUM 1 INFORMATION REQUEST ââCEREDIGION COUNCIL FOI TRAWSCYMRU
T2 TIMETABLE CHANGES OF 15/01/2018 AND A T3 ROUTE TO ABERYSTWYTH INSTEAD OF BARMOUTH (781192)ââ
The request was made on 23/03/2018 asking the following 13 questions:-
(NB In brackets is the split made by Ceredigion Council into an FOI request and a Customer Enquiry.. Five of the 13 questions were considered to be FOI requests and the rest customer enquiries. The responses were received on 20/04/2018 after 20 working days and a request for internal review was made on 20/05/2018. The request for internal review was replied to in a letter dated 31/07/2018 after 91 working days (see attached letter alunwilliams31072018)Â for the FOI element and on 10/08/2018 for the customer enquiry element (see attached letter ceredigionallun2will10082018)
The 13 questions in the FOI request are shown below with those
considered to be FOI in red. . The response to the request and the
internal review response are also shown against the questions considered
to be FOI
(1) Could Ceredigion Council please supply me with all the emails from
01/12/2017 to 15/01/2018Â Â between Ceredigion Council and Gwynedd,
Powys, Denbighshire and Wrexham Local Authorities and the Welsh
Government that relate to the discussions/consultations on the T2
timetable changes of 15/01/2018, as described in your reply of
21/03/2018 (all consultations took place on 07/12/2017?). .(FOI)
Response supplied 20/04/2018 after 19 working days. The response was a
refusal to supply based on an exemption Section 41(1) that release would
be a breach of confidence.
Request for Internal review on 20/05/2018 based on the fact that issues
regarding bus timetable changes were not confidential
Internal Review on 31/07/2018 after 91 working days upheld the refusal
(2 Could Ceredigion Council please tell me whether the T2 timetable
change of 15/01/2018 to the last T2 arrival of the day in Aberystwyth
was requested by Ceredigion Council.?  The arrival time in Aberystwyth
was changed from 18.40 to 18.50 in order to AVOID making a connection
with the T1 departure from Aberystwyth to Carmarthen at 18.40. This was
done by an unnecessary 5 minute stop in Machynleth and a detour off the
A487 in Aberystwyth through the village of Comins Coch and the
Aberystwyth Waunfawr estate.  Could Ceredigion Council please also tell
me whether a detour off the A487 in Aberystwyth through the village of
Comins Coch and the Aberystwyth Waunfawr estate.was requested by
Ceredigion Council?  Could Ceredigion Council please tell me whether
they agree with thiis arrival time change from 18.40 to 18.50 ?
(Customer Enquiry)
(3) Could Ceredigion Council please tell me whether the T2 timetable
change of 15/01/2018 for the T2 to depart Aberystwyth at 10.00am instead
of 10.05 was requested by Ceredigion Council.? The 10.05 T2 departure
time was introduced by the previous Transport Minister (Edwina Hart) in
2016 to improve connectivity of the T5 with the T2.  Could Ceredigion
Council please tell me whether they agree with the removal of this
improvement ? (Customer Enquiry)
(4) Could Ceredigion Council please tell me whether the T2 timetable
change of 15/01/2018 were discussed by Ceredigion Council with
Carmarthenshire Council in respect of the effects of the changes on the
T2 connections in Aberystwyth. with the T1 service to Carmarthen?
(Customer Enquiry)
(5) Could Ceredigion Council please supply me with a copy of the letter
written by Alun Williams to Ken Skates on 24/10/2017, which I asked him
to send , and which resulted in a reply from Ken Skates ,the Minister
for Transport , commissioning a âhigh levelâ review of the Wrexham
to Aberystwyth route.(FOI)
Response supplied 20/04/2018 after 19 working days ââCeredigion
Council do not hold a copy of this letterââ
Request for Internal review on 20/05/2018 asking Ceredigion Council to
check they did not have a copy
Internal Review Response supplied on 31/07/2018Â after 91 working days
Ceredigion Council said ââThis letter has been issued to you
previously by Clr Alun Williams.(Not True)Â Â I am of the view that
Ceredigion Council do hold the information and I provide a copy of the
email as per your request ââ. The correct letter was provided to me
but the reviewer include at the end of the letter a disgraceful remark
that ââI should ensure I retain documents issued to me by the
Councilââ
(6) Could Ceredigion Council please supply me with a copy of the reply
from Councillor Alun Williams to Ken Skates, the Transport Minister
regarding the commissioning of a ââhigh levelââ review to route
the T3 from Wrexham to Aberystwyth instead of Barmouth, which was
promised by the Minister for Transport, Ken Skates, to Councillor Alun
Williams on 14/11/2017 and which Ceredigion Council are now refusing to
pursue .(FOI)
Response supplied 20/04/2018 after 19 working days âYou state in your
correspondence of 23rd March that you already hold a copy of this letter
ââ (Not True)
Request for Internal review on 20/05/2018 . I pointed out to Ceredigion
Council that _ââThis is a deliberate misinterpretation of my
question. On 17/11/2017 Alun Williams sent me a copy of Ken Skates
letter of 14/11/2017 which commissioned a âhigh levelâ review of a
T3 Aberystwyth to Wrexham route.  I have received no letters whatsoever
written by Alun Williams to Ken Skates.   My question asked for a copy
of the reply from Councillor Alun Williams to Ken Skates, the Transport
Minister regarding the commissioning of a ââhigh levelââ
review to route the T3 from Wrexham to Aberystwyth instead of Barmouth,
My question did not ask for a copy of the letter from Ken Skates to Alun
Williams which as you point out I have already received. If we are to
believe Ceredigion Council the only documentation in existence at
Ceredigion Council on a âhigh levelâ review of a T3 Aberystwyth to
Wrexham route is Ken Skates letter of 14/11/2017Â . __?__ Could you
please check again and provide a copy of the reply from Alun Williams to
Ken Skates letter of 14/11/2017Â ?. If you do not find a copy of the
letter could you please explain why Ceredigion Council does not hold a
copy of this letter ?  Have Ceredigion Council checked Alun Williams
emails after 1__4/11/2017 to see whether his letter to Ken Skates was
sent by email ?_
Internal Review Response supplied on 31/07/2018Â after 91 working days
ââThis letter has been issued to you previously by Clr Alun
Williams.(Not True) and I have decided to issue a further copy but you
should ensure you retain documents issued to you by the Councilââ.
The document then sent to me on 31/07/2018 by the internal reviewer
was a second copy of Ken Skates letter to Alun Williams offering a
âhigh levelâ review to introduce Trawscymru T3 services from
Aberystwyth to Wrexham.  This is a clear example of deliberate
obstruction and not releasing the documentation requested..
I have still not received a copy of Alun Williams reply to Ken Skates
letter of 14/11/2017 offering to involve Ceredigion Council in a âhigh
levelâ review of Trawscymru T3 services from Aberystwyth to Wrexham.
(7) Could Ceredigion Council please state the reason that Ceredigion
Council are refusing to pursue the option of a ââhigh levelââ
review to route the T3 from Wrexham to Aberystwyth instead of Barmouth,
which was promised by the Minister for Transport, Ken Skates, to
Councillor Alun Williams on 17/11/2017 and which was the
recommendation of the Bevan Foundation Independent Review of Trawscymru.
(Customer Enquiry)
(8) Could Gerwyn Jones please state his reasons for saying that my
suggestions ( to follow the published Welsh Government Transport
strategy and the Bevan Foundation Independent Review recommendation with
respect to the T1/T2/T3 services )Â are , in the words of Gerwyn Jones,
ââ_detrimental to the overall network and for the passengers from
and beyond Ceredigion.ââ_Â (Customer Enquiry )
(9) In view of the theories expounded by Gerwyn Jones on the detriments
of the Welsh Government Transport Strategy and the Bevan Foundation
Independent Review recommendation., could Gerwyn Jones please state
which group of passengers (ie passengers on the T1/T2/T3/T5 services)
benefitted from the T2 timetable changes of 15/01/2018 and whether the
changes were ââbeneficial to the overall network and for the
passengers from and beyond Ceredigion.ââ. (Customer Enquiry)
(10) Could Ceredigion Council please state who, within Ceredigion
Council, made the decision to refuse to pursue the commissioned
ââhigh levelââ review of the Wrexham to Aberystwyth route.
(Customer Enquiry)
(11) Could Ceredigion Council please state whether the refusal to pursue
the commissioned ââhigh levelââ review of the Wrexham to
Aberystwyth route is a Council policy decision by Councillor Alun
Williams and/or Ceredigion Council or whether it is a decision that has
been taken by a Council official (Gerwyn Jones or Shan Witts? ).
(Customer Enquiry)
(12) Have Ceredigion Council written to the Welsh Government to say they
are refusing to pursue the commissioned ââhigh levelââ review
of the Wrexham to Aberystwyth route and if so could Ceredigion Council
please supply me with a copy of the letter..(FOI)
Response supplied 20/04/2018 after 19 working days ââNo such letter
has been writtenââ
(13) Could Ceredigion Council please supply me with all the emails from
14/11/2017 to 21/03/2018 between Ceredigion Council and the Welsh
Government regarding the ââhigh levelââ review to examine the
T3 route from Wrexham to Aberystwyth , which was commissioned by the
Minister for Transport, Ken Skates, in his letter to Councillor Alun
Williams on 17/11/2017 and which Ceredigion Council are now refusing to
pursue .(FOI)
Response supplied 20/04/2018 after 19 working days ââNo such emails
existââ
END OF ADDENDUM 1
ADDENDUM 2Â Â AN FOI REQUEST SENT ON 20/05/2018 , never acknowledged and
never replied to .  Possibly referred to on 10/08/2018 in the letter
regarding Customer Enquiries/Complaints
RECOMMENDED T3 ROUTE BETWEEN ABERYSTWYTH AND WREXHAM AND LACK OF T2/T1
(BANGOR TO CARMARTHEN) CONNECTIVITY IN ABERYSTWYTH
20/05/2018 – 16:26
Dear Alun Williams,
On 24/04/2018 the First Minister of Wales made a statement to the Welsh
Assembly saying _ââregarding the question of whether weâre
planning to expand the service, that is true; we are at present working
with local authorities to look at new routes, namely Bangor to Chirk and
Oswestry, and also from Wrexham to Newtownââ_
On 16/05/2018 I was informed by Gwynedd Council that Ceredigion Council
are a partner in the Trawscymru T2/T3 Service Delivery Group.
I wish to place a Freedom of Information Request (not a âqueryâ
under the Ceredigion Customer Charter) regarding a recommended new T3
route between Wrexham and Aberystwyth and lack of connectivity in
Aberystwyth on the T2/T1 (Bangor to Carmarthen) services .
RECOMMENDED NEW T3 ROUTE BETWEEN WREXHAM AND ABERYSTWYTH
On 14/11/2017 Ken Skates in a letter sent to Alun Williams, Ceredigion
Councillor for Transport commissioned a âhigh levelâ review of a T3
Trawscymru Aberystwyth to Wrexham route. The âhigh levelâ review was
in line with the recommendation of an independent report on Trawscymru
by the Bevan Foundation, which said the T3 route should run from Wrexham
to Aberystwyth and not from Wrexham to Barmouth.
Ceredigion Council say that, despite six months elapsing since the
commissioning of the âhigh levelâ review, Ceredigion Council hold no
documentation whatsoever on the âhigh levelâ review, and they have
not been involved in any discussions on a âhigh levelâ review . The
Ceredigion Group Manager Local Environment Services has said _ââwe
feel this should not be pursued at this timeâ_â. However a
Ceredigion Senior Business Support Officer has recently contradicted
this by saying _ââThe decision to not pursue the __commissioned
âhigh levelâ review of a T3 Trawscymru Aberystwyth to Wrexham route
is not a decision for Ceredigion Council and no such decision has been
made.__Â Ceredigion Council will engage with a review if, as, and when
required ââ_
The First Minister of Wales in April 2018 announced in the Welsh
Assembly that two new Trawscymru routes were under consideration neither
of which involved a route to Aberystwyth. In February 2018 I informed
Ceredigion Council that the âhigh levelâ review of a T3 Trawscymru
Aberystwyth to Wrexham route was being ignored, but Ceredigion Council
have refused to complain and have refused to raise the subject with the
Welsh Government.
I would wish therefore to ask the following FOIA questions of Ceredigion
Council :-
(1) Are Ceredigion Council a partner in the Trawscymru T2/T3 Service
Delivery Group?
(2) Who are the other partners in the Trawscymru T2/T3 Service Delivery
Group?
(3) Do the partners in the Trawscymru T2/T3 Service Delivery Group agree
changes to the T2 and T3 timetables?.
(4) If the answer to (3) is not âyesâ could Ceredigion Council say
who does agree changes to the T2 and T3 timetables?.
(5) Are meetings held involving the partners of the Trawscymru T2/T3
Service Delivery Group ? .
(6) If meetings of the Trawscymru T2/T3 Service Delivery Group are held
could you tell me the dates on which they have been held between
14/11/2017 (when Ken Skates commissioned a âhigh levelâ review of a
T3 Trawscymru Aberystwyth to Wrexham route) and the present.?   Did
Ceredigion Council attend any such meetings of the Trawscymru T2/T3
Service Delivery Group?
(7) Are meeting minutes produced for the Trawscymru T2/T3 Service
Delivery Group and if so do Ceredigion Council hold copies of those
minutes and are they available for public examination ?
(8) If meetings are not held or if meeting minutes are not produced how
is the business carried out by the Trawscymru T2/T3 Service Delivery
Group recorded?.
(9) Has the subject of the âhigh levelâ review of a T3 route from
Aberystwyth to Wrexham every been raised or discussed by any of the
partners in the Trawscymru T2/T3 Service Delivery Group?.
(10) If the subject of the âhigh levelâ review of a T3 route from
Aberystwyth to Wrexham has been raised or discussed by any of the
partners in the Trawscymru T2/T3 Service Delivery Group is there any
documentation available on this subject from the Trawscymru T2/T3
Service Delivery Group which can be released? .
(11) If the answer to (9) is ânoâ or ânot specificallyâ could
Ceredigion Council say why they did not raise the subject of the âhigh
levelâ review of a T3 route from Aberystwyth to Wrexham with the
Trawscymru T2/T3 Service Delivery Group ?.
(12) If the subject of the âhigh levelâ review of a T3 route from
Aberystwyth to Wrexham was raised in the Trawscymru T2/T3 Service
Delivery Group, could Ceredigion Council provide the content of the
consultation/discussion?.
(13) In January 2018 extra T3 services were introduced on the Wrexham to
Barmouth route, and the holding back of the T2 Bangor to Aberystwyth
services was increased by a further 5 minutes, (to wait in Dolgellau for
the T3 service from Wrexham). Could Ceredigion Council say why they did
not question this action with the T2/T3 Service Delivery Group, when
Ceredigion Council were aware of the commissioning of the âhigh
levelâ review of a T3 route from Aberystwyth to Wrexham by Ken Skates
in November 2017, which was communicated to Councillor Williams by
letter from Ken Skates on 14/11/2017 ? .
(14) Ceredigion Council say they hold no documentation on the subject of
the âhigh levelâ review of a T3 route from Aberystwyth to Wrexham.
Could Ceredigion Council say whether the subject has been raised in
Council meetings or in Council Committee meetings. For example before
Councillor Alun Williams wrote to Ken Skates was the subject covered in
such meetings within Ceredigion Council and after Ken Skates
commissioned the âhigh levelâ review and wrote to Alun Williams on
14/11/2017 was the subject covered in such meetings within Ceredigion
Council ?. Is there no documentation anywhere within the Council on the
subject of the âhigh levelâ review of a T3 route from Aberystwyth to
Wrexham ? .
(15) In view of the 24th April 2018 announcement by the First Minister
regarding the 2 new Trawscymru routes under review which do not involve
new routes in Aberystwyth , will Ceredigion Council {a) discuss the
lack of action on the âhigh levelâ review in Council and/or (b)
contact the Welsh Government to ask why the âhigh levelâ review has
not taken place ?.
LACK OF CONNECTIVITY IN ABERYSTWYTH ON THE T2/T1 (BANGOR TO CARMARTHEN)
SERVICES
On 16/05/2018 I was informed by Gwynedd Council that Ceredigion Council
are a partner in the Trawscymru T2/T3 Service Delivery Group.
Gwyned Council have previously said that they manage the T2 service
contract (Bangor to Aberystwyth), that Ceredigion Council are partners
in the T2 contract and that the changes in January 2018 to the
Trawscymru T2 timetable were agreed by all partners. Powys Council have
said they are partners to the T2 contract. Ceredigion Council say they
are NOT partners to the T2 contract and the changes in January 2018 to
the Trawscymru T2 timetable was not subject to Ceredigion County
Councilâs agreement.
In 2016 Carmarthenshire Council who manage the T1 service contract
(Aberystwyth to Carmarthen) said that Ceredigion Council were partners
in the T1 service contract and that a copy of the T1 contract had been
supplied to Ceredigion Council. In response to a request to change the
T1 departure time in Aberystwyth from 18.40 to 18.45 to allow the T2
15.35 departure from Bangor to arrive in Aberystwyth at 18.40 and
connect with a new T1 18.45 departure, Carmarthenshire Council said they
did not object to the change but pointed out the consequences, (which
was a reduction of the connection time at Carmarthen station to the last
train to Cardiff from 10 minutes to 5 minutes). Carmarthenshire Council
said a change to T1 departure in Aberystwyth to 18.45 could only be made
if all the contract partners agreed to the change  Ceredigion Council
who were partners in the T1 service contract then objected to the change
to departure time in Aberystwyth . The change to T1 departure time of
18.45 was not made and the T2/T1 (Bangor to Carmarthen) connection at
18.40 in Aberystwyth remained precarious.     In 2016 Ceredigion
Council were therefore partners in the T1 service contract and the
Trawscymru T1 timetable was subject to Ceredigion County Councilâs
agreement.   In 2018 Ceredigion Council say they are not partners to
the T2 contract and the changes in January 2018 to the Trawscymru T2
timetable were not subject to Ceredigion County Councilâs agreement.
However in 2018 Ceredigion Council is now a partner in theTrawscymru
T2/T3 Service Delivery Group.
I therefore wish to ask the following questions of Ceredigion Council :-
(16) Can Ceredigion Council explain why in 2016 in relation to the T1
service contract , Ceredigion Council were partners in the T1 service
contract managed by Carmarthenshire Council and changes to the T1
timetable were subject to Ceredigion Council agreement, whilst in 2018
in relation to the T2 service contract Ceredigion Council say exactly
the opposite.?   In 2018 Ceredigion Council say they are not partners
to the T2 service contract and T2 timetable changes are not subject to
Ceredigion County Councilâs agreement.   Can Ceredigion Council also
explain why in 2018 both Gwynedd Council (who manage the T2 contract)
and Powys Council who is a partner in the T2 contract believe that
Ceredigion Council is a partner to the T2 contract and that all partners
agreed to the January 2018 T2 timetable changes.?
(17) Are Ceredigion Council partners in any other Service Delivery
Groups like the Trawscymru T2/T3 Service Delivery Group ?
(18) Is there a Service Delivery Group associated with the T2/T1
services, which should connect in Aberystwyth ?.
(19) If there is no T2/T1 Service Delivery Group could Ceredigion
Council say how they address connectivity problems between T2 and T1 in
Aberystwyth ?.  Which Service Delivery Group or organisation(s)
/individual(s)Â should deal with issues of T2/T1 connectivity in
Aberystwyth ? .
(20) Is there a Service Delivery Group group associated with the T2/T5
services which both provide services into and out of Aberystwyth ?.
(21) In consultations on the January 2018 changes to the T2 timetable,
(which were carried out for the benefit of passengers on the T3 service
from Wrexham)Â did Ceredigion Council inform the Trawscymru T2/T3
Service Delivery Group that (a) the T2 timetable changes were
detrimental in 4 instances to T2/T1 connecting services in Aberystwyth
and (b) that 2 of the changes made to the T2 service in January 2018
reversed actions to improve T2/T1 connectivity in Aberystwyth taken by
the previous Transport Minister (Edwina Hart) and the Traffic
Commissioner for Wales ?.
(22) If the answer to (21) is âNoâ or âNot Specificallyâ could
Ceredigion Council give the reason that the above 2 issues ,(a) and (b),
were not raised by Ceredigion Council with the Trawscymru T2/T3 Service
Delivery Group ?.
(23) Ceredigion Council have said they did not discuss the January 2018
changes to the T2 timetable with Carmarthenshire Council (who manage the
T1 Aberystwyth to Carmarthen service contract), despite the fact that
the T2 timetable changes were detrimental in 3 instances to T1
connecting services to Carmarthen in Aberystwyth and despite the fact
that Carmarthenshire Council are not members of the Trawscymru T2/T3
Service Delivery Group . Could Ceredigion Council give the reason why
the changes detrimental to T1 connecting services in Aberystwyth were
not discussed with Carmarthenshire Council ? .
(24) In Dolgellau there is a Quality Partnership Agreement in place
which allows the T2 (Bangor to Aberystwyth ) service to wait 5 minutes
beyond its departure time to wait for late running T3 services from
Wrexham. Could Ceredigion Council say whether, as a partner in the
Trawscymru T2/T3 Service Delivery Group, Ceredigion Council agreed to
this Quality Partnership Agreement?
(25) I appreciate that there is no connectivity in Aberystwyth between
Trawscymru T1 and T2 services going Northwards.  However could
Ceredigion Council say whether a Quality Partnership Agreement for
connections in Aberystwyth on the T2/T1 route going South (ie the T1
Carmarthen service to wait for late running T2 services into
Aberystwyth from Bangor/Dolgellau)Â has been discussed by Ceredigion
Council with the Trawscymru T2/T3 Service Delivery Group and
Carmarthenshire Council (who manage the T1 contract)Â ? .
YOURS SINCERELY
John McTighe
END OF ADDENDUM 2
> —-Original message—-
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> Date : 25/08/2018 – 15:22 (GMTST)
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>
> SUBJECT : WHY HAS KEN SKATES âHIGH LEVEL âREVIEWâ OF THE
> TRAWSCYMRU ABERYSTWYTH TO WREXHAM ROUTE NOT BEEN CARRIED OUT?
> (INTERNAL REVIEW (ATISN 12559)
>
> Dear Ken Skates,
>
> On 09/07/2018 I received an unsolicited letter from the Trawscymru
> Network Manager which contained a document titled âSuggested Action
> plan â Professor Stuart Coleâ. The Trawscymru Network Manager
> said in the letter of 09/07/2018 that the document titled
> âSuggested Action planâ was a âhigh levelâ review of the
> Trawscymru Wrexham to Barmouth route and that in carrying out this
> âhigh levelâ reviewâ Professor Stuart Cole had recommended that
> no Trawscymru Services should be provided between Aberystwyth and
> Wrexham.  The Trawscymru Network Manager also said that this was the
> âposition of the Trawscymru Strategic Management Boardâ.  The
> document titled âSuggested Action plan â Professor Stuart
> Coleâ. which the Trawscymru Network Manager provided to me on
> 09/07/2018 consisted of one page which made no mention of the
> Aberystwyth to Wrexham route.( see attached document
> scoleT3review09072018)
>
> The history of the âhigh levelâ review is that on 14/11/2017 the
> Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Transport , (Ken Skates) wrote to
> the officer responsible for Transport in Ceredigion Council and said
> that he had commissioned a âhigh levelâreview _ââto identify
> the benefits and operational feasibility of introducing additional
> Trawscymru T3 services from Aberystwyth to Wrexham linking in with
> existing bus/rail services and that Ceredigion County Council would be
> involved in the âhigh levelâ review.ââ _. (see enclosed letter
> kskates14112017). The âhigh levelâ review was commissioned by Ken
> Skates following revelation that the same review had been recommended
> by the Bevan Foundation Review of Trawscymru in 2013 and had not been
> carried out by Welsh Government officials.
>
> After receiving the document âSuggested Action planâ dated
> 09/07/2018 I placed Information requests with both the Welsh
> Government and Ceredigion Council. The FOI request to the the Welsh
> Government consisted of 2 requests. One request was to the Trawscymru
> Network Manager (on 15/07/2018) asking for an explanation of some of
> the statements in his unsolicited letter of 09/07/2018 and the other
> request was to the Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Transport on
> (13/07/2018) asking for an explanation of the role of the Trawscymru
> Strategic Management Board in the âhigh levelâ review and why a
> âhigh level âreviewâ of the Aberystwyth to Wrexham route had not
> been carried out by the Minister’s officials . Your Director for
> Transport (Simon Jones) has provided the response to both the request
> to the Trawscymru Network Manager and the request to the Cabinet
> Secretary for Economy and Transport
>
> The request to the Trawscymru Network Manager on 15/07/2018 was
> replied to, not by the Trawscymru Network Manager, but by Simon Jones
> (ATISN 12498.dated 07/08/2018 after 16 working days) in which he
> indicated that _ââno information was held on the 13 questions in
> the request, but even if there were information in existence he would
> withhold the information because the request was vexatiousââ._
> It would seem to be a very strange situation where a Government
> official (the Trawscymru Network Manager) writes an unsolicited letter
> to a member of the public making very detailed statements about
> Trawscymru service changes made in January 2018 , and when the member
> of the public asks questions regarding those detailed statements Simon
> Jones leaps in and says _ââNo Information held and even if there
> were information held it would not be released as your request is
> vexatiousââ _
>
> Simon Jones has also replied to the request made on 13/07/2018 to the
> Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Transport . (ATISN 12559 dated
> 24/08/2018 – see attached file simonjones24082018) and I wish to ask
> for an internal review of that reply.   Better late than never they
> say â the reply came without an acknowledgement 30 working days
> after the request was made.  The request was made on 13/07/2018 to
> the 2 email addresses of Ken Skates (his Assembly Member address and
> his Welsh Government address). Simon Jones says the Minister/Welsh
> Government has received neither of the email copies sent on
> 13/07/2018 to his 2 email addresses, but the Minister did receive the
> email as an attachment on 12/08/2018 when I sent the Minister a
> reminder, (to the Minister’s same 2 email addresses – Assembly Member
> address and Welsh Government address), asking for a reply.  Simon
> Jones claims that the Minister received neither of the 2 email
> copies and therefore the statutory deadline for a response is
> 10/09/2018.
>
> Following the unsolicited letter from the Trawscymru Network Manager
> (on 09/07/2018)Â Ceredigion Council have subsequently said (on
> 10/08/2018) that Ceredigion Council need answer no further questions
> regarding the âhigh levelâ reviewâ of the Aberystwyth to
> Wrexham route or answer questions on any other issue relating to
> Trawscymru bus services .  Ceredigion Council need to answer no
> further questions on any issue because they say a Welsh Government
> official has told Ceredigion Council that I am _ââin direct
> contact with the Trawscymru Strategic Management Board and this board
> will address all my concerns regarding provision of Trawscymru bus
> servicesââ ._ Ceredigion Council are saying they do not need to
> answer questions because the Welsh Government official says that I am
> in direct contact with the Trawscymru Strategic Management Board,
> whereas Simon Jones on behalf of the Welsh Government states that the
> Welsh Government will not answer questions relating to the role of the
> Trawscymru Strategic Management Board and I certainly have had no
> direct contact with the Trawscymru Strategic Management Board.
>
> Ceredigion Council have also said that Ceredigion Council have not
> been involved in a âhigh levelâreviewâ of the Aberystwyth to
> Wrexham route, despite the pledge by the Cabinet Secretary for Economy
> and Transport in his commission of the âhigh levelâ review on
> 14/11/2017 that Ceredigion Council would be involved in the review.
>
> In Simon Jones response of 24/08/2018 to the FOI request he quotes the
> Welsh Government âhigh levelâ review document (
>
> which was published on 09/08/2018.  This document is not the same
> document that was provided to me on 09/07/2018. The document
> published on the Welsh Government website on 09/08/2018 has a
> different title ââSummary of recommendations by Professor Stuart
> Coleââ and has an additional preamble (titled âScope of
> Reviewâ) which states _ââProfessor Stuart Cole was
> __commissioned to undertake a short âHigh Level Reviewâ of the
> TrawsCymru T3 route which currently links Wrexham to Barmouth. and
> consider the broad strategic merits of operating new direct TrawsCymru
> T3 journeys linking Wrexham to Aberystwyth (as opposed to
> Barmouthââ._Â Â This preamble is not in the document provided to me
> on 09/07/2018 by the Trawscymru Network Manager and this preamble has
> been inserted following my information requests of 13/07/2018 to the
> Minister.   The statement ââ_consider the broad strategic merits
> of operating new direct TrawsCymru T3 journeys linking Wrexham to
> Aberystwyth (as opposed to Barmouthââ  _has been inserted into
> the 09/08/2018 document after my information request was made on
> 13/07/2018.  There is no evidence in either the document provided to
> me on 09/07/2018 or the document published on the Welsh Government
> website on 09/08/2018 that any investigation has been carried out on a
> Trawscymru Aberystwyth to Wrexham route. Neither of these 2 documents
> quote any investigation of the broad strategic merits, any conclusion,
> any recommendation on a Trawscymru Aberystwyth to Wrexham route. The
> âhigh level âreviewâ of the Aberystwyth to Wrexham route
> commissioned by the Minister in a letter to Ceredigion Council on
> 14/11/2017 has therefore not been carried out and has been replaced by
> a âshortâ âhigh level â review of the T3 Wrexham to Barmouth
> service . The Bevan Foundation independent review of Trawscymru in
> 2013 recommended a Trawscymru Aberystwyth to Wrexham route. That
> review recommendation was ignored by Welsh Government officials and
> now the Transport Minister has commissioned a âhigh levelâ
> reviewâ of the Aberystwyth to Wrexham route on 14/11/2017, which
> again has been completely ignored by his officials.
>
> In the response to request ATISN 12559 Simon Jones states that in the
> case of 4 of the 23 questions (5,6,7 and 23) the Welsh Government hold
> no information. Questions 5,6 and 7 relate to meetings of the
> Trawscymru Strategic Management Board.  In the case of the other 19
> questions he refuses to answer questions on the âhigh levelâ
> reviewâ and the role of the Trawscymru Strategic Management Board
> because the requests are vexatious.  I would request that the Welsh
> Government carry out an internal review of ATISN 12559 on the
> following grounds
>
> Grounds for internal review of questions 5,6,7
>
> Could the reviewer please check the Trawscymru Strategic Management
> Board minutes between 14/11/2017 and now to determine whether the
> âjoint positionâ of Trawscymru Strategic Management Board members
> has been discussed and minuted at any meeting
>
> Grounds for internal review of the remaining 19 questions .
>
> Could the reviewer please consider the following :-
>
> (1)The requests are not vexatious and relate to the âhigh levelâ
> reviewâ document sent to me by the Welsh Government .
>
> (2) The requests were prompted by an unsolicited letter from the
> Trawscymru Network Manager which provided the document.
>
> (3) The letter from the Trawscymru Network Manager contained a
> document which the Trawscymru Network Manager said covered a âhigh
> level âreviewâ of the Aberystwyth to Wrexham route commissioned by
> the Minister in a letter to Ceredigion Council on 14/11/2017.
>
> (4) The questions to the Minister are therefore legitimate questions
> requesting information from the Minister on why a âhigh level
> âreviewâ of the Aberystwyth to Wrexham route has not been carried
> out by his officials.
>
> Yours Sincerely,
>
> Dr John McTighe __
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