Internal Review: Lack of Connectivity in Aberystwyth T2 from Dolgellau to T1C for Cardiff for passengers North of Aberystwyth (790340)

Reply-To: john.mct@btinternet.com

 

Thanks for the info . Do you mean he was CC Cabinet Member for Transport until May 2018 as I have been contacting him on transport issues for the past 2 years ?? .

 

Where does that leave the question of the internal review which was requested 6 weeks ago on 1st June.  Is the Internal review in the same position as Ellen ap Gweynne’s reply to my letter of 20/05/2018, ie in limbo .

 

Regards

John McTighe

From : Ray.Quant

Date : 15/07/2018 – 19:38 (GMTST)

To : john.mct@

Subject : Re: Internal Review: Lack of Connectivity in Aberystwyth T2 from Dolgellau to T1C for Cardiff for passengers North of Aberystwyth(790340)

Just to confirm the Ceredigion CC Cabinet Member for transport was

Cllr Alun Williams from May 2012 to May 2016 and the new Cabinet Member for Transport is Cllr Dafydd Edwards Ray Quant

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On 15 Jul 2018, at 11:25, L MCTIGHE <john.mct@> wrote:

Could you please tell me when you intend to complete the Internal review which was requested 6 weeks ago.   The Trawscymru T1C Aberystwyth to Cardiff coach service (managed by Ceredigion Council) should have connectivity with the T2 arriving in Aberystwyth from Dolgellau and should have better connectivity with the T1S to Swansea  in Carmarthen.  It is in everyone’ s interests that this is sorted out

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Subject : Internal Review: Lack of Connectivity in Aberystwyth T2 from

> Dolgellau to T1C for Cardiff for passengers North of Aberystwyth

> (790340)

>

> Copies Welsh Assembly members, ceredigion council, powys council,

> gwynedd council, aberystwyth council

>

> Dear Alun Williams,

>

> Could you please arrange for an internal review of the replies from

> Gerwyn Jones on 31/05/2018 to my request of 05/05/2018.   The original

> question is in black, Gerwyn Jones replies are in purple and the

> request for an internal review are in red.      It would be helpful if

> the Ceredigion Councillor responsible for Transport ,(who was in

> receipt of my original request), could indicate whether the reply from

> Gerwyn Jones was viewed by the Ceredigion Councillor responsible for

> Transport before it was released  and could indicate whether the

> statements from Gerwyn Jones, a Council Official,  cover the views and

> policies of Ceredigion County Council with respect to improving

> Trawscymru Services into and through Aberystwyth.

>

> Yours Sincerely

>

> John Mctighe

>

> (1) CAN THE T2 DEPARTURE TIME FROM DOLGELLAU BE CHANGED FROM 8.10 TO

> 8.00 AND THE DIVERSION THROUGH COMINS COCH VILLAGE BE REMOVED  TO

> ALLOW THE T2 FROM DOLGELLAU TO ARRIVE AT 9.15 IN ABERYSTWYTH AND

> CONNECT WITH THE T1C FROM ABERYSTWYTH TO CARDIFF.?

>

> _Ceredigion__ County__ Council is not in a position to directly

> influence this matter and therefore has no comment to make in relation

> to it. _

>

> Request for Internal Review.

>

> _THE ANSWER IS EVASIVE.   COULD GERWYN JONES GIVE A CLEAR ANSWER TO

> THE QUESTION WHICH MAY INVOLVE CEREDIGION COUNCIL APPROACHING THE

> OTHER T2 CONTRACT PARTNERS, THE WELSH GOVERNMENT, AND THE T2/T3

> SERVICE DELIVERY GROUP.   THE ANSWER  “”NO COMMENT TO MAKE IN

> RELATION TO IT””  IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.      THE PROBLEM IS LACK OF

> CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN 2 TRAWSCYMRU SERVICES IN ABERYSTWYTH ONE OF WHICH

> HAS A CONTRACT MANAGED BY CEREDIGION COUNCIL .   THE PROBLEM IS LACK O

> OF CONNECTIVITY IN ABERYSTWYTH IN THE COUNTY OF CEREDIGION NOT

> ANYWHERE ELSE IN WALES AND CEREDIGION COUNCIL SHOULD BE PROACTIVE IN

> SOLVCING THE PROBLEM.    CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL ARE PARTNERS IN THE

> T2 CONTRACT (AS STATED BY GWYNEDD COUNCIL WHO MANAGE THE CONTRACT AND

> AS EVIDENCED BY POWYS COUNCIL WHO ARE ALSO PARTNERS TO THE T2

> CONTRACT.)     THE T2 ROUTE STARTS IN BANGOR (GWYNEDD) GOES THROUGH

> GWYNEDD , POWYS AND CEREDIGION ENDING UP IN ABERYSTWYTH.

> CEREDIGION COUNCIL ARE ALSO MEMBERS OF THE T2/T3 SERVICE DELIVERY

> GROUP WHICH COVERS TIMETABLE ISSUES AND ARE THEREFORE “”IN A POSITION

> TO DIRECTLY INFLUENCE THIS MATTER””  _

>

> _CEREDIGION__ COUNTY__ COUNCIL HAVE DENIED THAT THEY ARE PARTNERS IN

> THE T2 CONTRACT ._

>

> _THE REASON THAT CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL HAVE DENIED THAT THEY ARE

> PARTNERS IN THE T2 CONTRACT IS IN ORDER FOR GERWYN JONES TO BE ABLE TO

> PUT FORWARD THE ABOVE EXCUSE “”NOT IN A POSITION TO DIRECTLY

> INFLUENCE THIS MATTER”” .     GERWYN JONES HAS DONE EXACTLY THE

> SAME THING BEFORE WHEN HE PUT FORWARD THE EXCUSE “THE T2 TIMETABLE

> CHANGES OF 15/01/2018 WERE NOT SUBJECT TO CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL

> AGREEMENT”” AFTER 4 CHANGES WERE DETRIMENTAL TO CONNECTIONS IN

> ABERYSTWYTH. GWYNEDD COUNCIL HAVE SAID CEREDIGION COUNCIL DID AGREE TO

> THE CHANGES OF 15/01/2018.   _

>

> _CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL COULD CONTACT THEIR OTHER T2 CONTRACT

> PARTNERS TO REQUEST A CHANGE AND RAISE THE MATTER AT THE T2/T3 SERVICE

> DELIVERY GROUP.  CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL ARE THE ONLY ORGANISATION

> INVOLVED WITH THE T2 SERVICE WHO COULD REQUEST THAT __THE T2 DIVERSION

> THROUGH COMINS COCH VILLAGE, (WHICH IS IN CEREDIGION),  IS REMOVED

> SINCE__ CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL REQUESTED THAT IT WAS INCLUDED__ .

> ___

>

> _THE ABOVE REQUEST COVERS PART OF A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO A CONNECTIVITY

> PROBLEM IN ABERYSTWYTH (CEREDIGION) BETWEEN THE T2 SERVICE AND A T1C

> SERVICE WHICH HAS ITS CONTRACT MANAGED BY CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL.

> THE CONNECTIVITY PROBLEM BETWEEN THE T2 SERVICE AND A T1C  SERVICE IS

> IN ABERYSTWYTH IN CEREDIGION AND CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL SHOULD

> THEREFORE HAVE A  RESPONSIBILITY TO PASSENGERS WHO ARE BEING

> INCONVENIENCED IN ABERYSTWYTH IN CEREDIGION. _

>

> _THE STATEMENT  “”NO COMMENT TO MAKE IN RELATION TO IT”” SHOWS THE

> COMPLETE LACK OF INTEREST BY GERWYN JONES IN IMPROVING TRAWSCYMRU

> SERVICES THROUGH ABERYSTWYTH._

>

> (2) CAN THE T1C DEPARTURE TIME FROM ABERYSTWYTH BE CHANGED FROM 9.30

> TO 9.25 TO ALLOW THE T1C TO ARRIVE IN CARMARTHEN AT 10.57 AND CONNECT

> WITH THE T1S DEPARTURE TO SWANSEA AT 11.05 GIVING 8 MINUTES OF

> CONNECTIVITY INSTEAD OF 3 MINUTES.?

>

> _The current timetable has been designed with a view of optimising

> travel opportunities and connections but there are obviously

> limitations to this. The T1C and T1S are timetabled as connecting

> services_.

>

> Request for Internal Review

>

> _THE ANSWER IS EVASIVE .  COULD GERWYN JONES PLEASE ANSWER THE

> QUESTION ? _

>

> _THE ABOVE STATEMENT BY GERWYN JONES DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION .

> THE STATEMENT THAT “”THE CURRENT TIMETABLE HAS BEEN DESIGNED WITH A

> VIEW OF OPTIMISING TRAVEL OPPORTUNITIES AND CONNECTIONS””

> IS EVASIVE AND CLEARLY NONSENSE.      THE TIMETABLE HAS NOT

> “”BEEN DESIGNED WITH A VIEW TO OPTIMISING TRAVEL OPPORTUNITIES AND

> CONNECTIONS””  WHEN THE T2 FROM DOLGELLAU ARRIVES IN ABERYSTWYTH AT

> 9.30 AND DOES NOT CONNECT WITH THE T1C DEPARTURE TO CARDIFF AT

> 9.30.   THE T1C AND T1S ARE “”TIMETABLED AS CONNECTING

> SERVICES””  BUT ONLY HAVE 3 MINUTES OF CONNECTIVITY IN CARMARTHEN

> .     THERE ARE NO “”LIMITATIONS”” TO STOP A __T1C DEPARTURE

> TIME CHANGE IN ABERYSTWYTH FROM 9.30 TO 9.25.      AS MANAGER OF THE

> T1C CONTRACT, CEREDIGION COUNCIL SHOULD BE ABLE TO ARRANGE FOR THIS

> CHANGE TO BE MADE BY CONSULTING WITH OTHER ORGANISATIONS AND AT THE

> SAME TIME THEY COULD DISCUSS WITH THEIR T2 CONTRACT PARTNERS A CHANGE

> TO  THE T2 DEPARTURE IN DOLGELLAU IN ORDER  TO MAKE THE T2  A

> CONNECTING SERVICE WITH THE T1C IN ABERYSTWYTH  .     _The problem is

> lack o of connectivity in Aberystwyth in the County of Ceredigion not

> anywhere else in Wales and Ceredigion Council should be proactive in

> solvcing the problem.

>

> (3) IS THE T1C SERVICE CONTRACT BEING MANAGED BY CEREDIGION COUNCIL

> AND, IF NOT , WHICH ORGANISATION IS MANAGING THE T1C SERVICE CONTRACT

> ?_ _

>

> _The T1C service is procured and managed on behalf of the Welsh

> Government by Ceredigion County Council. _

>

> Request for Internal Review.

>

> _COULD  GERWYN JONES PLEASE CONFIRM__ THAT THE T1 SERVICE CONTRACT  IS

> BEING MANAGED BY CEREDIGION COUNCIL_

>

> __

>

> (4) WHICH ORGANISATION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CONNECTIVITY OF THE

> TRAWSCYMRU T2 ARRIVAL AT 9.30 AND THE T1C DEPARTURE AT 9.30 IN

> ABERYSTWYTH.

>

> _The T2 and T1C services form part of the Welsh Government’s

> TrawsCymru network. _

>

> Request for Internal Review

>

> _THE ANSWER IS EVASIVE . COULD GERWYN JONES PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION

> ?  _

>

> _I ALREADY KNEW THAT THE T2 AND T1C SERVICES FORM PART OF THE WELSH

> GOVERNMENT’S TRAWSCYMRU NETWORK.      I ASKED “”__WHICH

> ORGANISATION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CONNECTIVITY OF THE TRAWSCYMRU T2

> ARRIVAL AT 9.30 AND THE T1C DEPARTURE AT 9.30 IN ABERYSTWYTH.””_

>

> __

>

> (5) DOES THE CEREDIGION COUNCIL HOLD A COPY OF THE T1C SERVICE

> CONTRACT?

>

> Yes

>

> __

>

> (6) WHICH OTHER ORGANISATIONS ARE PARTNERS IN THE T1C SERVICE CONTRACT

> ?.

>

> _The contractual partners are Ceredigion County Council and the

> operator of the Service. The Welsh Government’s involvement is as the

> funding and co-ordinating body as part of its TrawsCymru network.

> _

>

> Request for Internal Review.

>

> _COULD CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL CONFIRM THAT CARMARTHENSHIRE AND

> GLAMORGAN COUNTY COUNCILS ARE NOT __PARTNERS IN THE T1C SERVICE

> CONTRACT AS IT IS NORMAL FOR TRAWSCYMRU SERVICE CONTRACTS TO INCLUDE

> AS PARTNERS TO THE CONTRACT ALL COUNTY COUNCILS THAT THE TRAWSCYMRU

> SERVICE CROSSES.   COULD __CEREDIGION__ COUNTY__ COUNCIL ALSO CONFIRM

> WHETHER OR NOT THE WELSH GOVERNMENT ARE CONTRACT PARTNERS. ?_

>

> ____

>

> (7) WHICH PARTNERS IN THE T1C SERVICE CONTRACT HOLD A COPY OF THE T1C

> SERVICE CONTRACT ?

>

> _The Contractual Partners. _

>

> Request for Internal Review

>

> _THE ANSWER IS EVASIVE.   COULD CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL PLEASE NAME

> THE CONTRACTUAL PARTNERS.   COULD CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL PLEASE

> CONFIRM WHETHER THE WELSH GOVERNMENT HOLD A COPY OF THE __T1C SERVICE

> __CONTRACT._

>

> (8) WHICH ORGANISATION(S) IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DECIDING THE T1C

> TIMETABLE ?.

>

> _The T1C timetable has been developed in conjunction between the Welsh

> Government and Ceredigion County Council. _

>

> Request for Internal Review

>

> Can Ceredigion County Council confirm that Carmarthenshire and

> Glamorgan County Councils were not involved in deciding the T1C

> timetable.  Can Ceredigion County Council confirm that  the operator

> of the Service (who is a contract partner)  was not the involved in

> deciding the T1C timetable.

>

> (9) WHICH ORGANISATION PROPOSED A 9.30 T1C DEPARTURE FROM ABERYSTWYTH?

>

>

> _Please refer to the responses above. _

>

> Request for Internal Review

>

> _THE ANSWER IS EVASIVE . COULD GERWYN JONES PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION

> ?   I DO NOT WANT TO LOOK THROUGH ALL THE 8 RESPONSES ABOVE AND TRY TO

> DECIPHER WHICH ONE ANSWERS THE QUESTION.   DID THE WELSH GOVERNMENT

> __PROPOSE A 9.30 T1C DEPARTURE FROM ABERYSTWYTH ?    IF __THE WELSH

> GOVERNMENT DID __PROPOSE A 9.30 T1C DEPARTURE FROM ABERYSTWYTH DID

> __CEREDIGION__ COUNTY__ COUNCIL POINT OUT THE LACK OF CONNECTIVITY

> WITH THE T2 ARRIVAL FROM DOLGELLAU AT 9.30 __?     IF __CEREDIGION__

> COUNTY__ COUNCIL  __PROPOSED A 9.30 T1C DEPARTURE FROM ABERYSTWYTH WHY

> DID THEY CHOOSE THIS TIME KNOWING THAT __THE T2 ARRIVAL FROM DOLGELLAU

> AT 9.30 WOULD NOT CONNECT WITH THE T1C?       IF ANOTHER

> __ORGANISATION PROPOSED A 9.30 T1C DEPARTURE FROM ABERYSTWYTH COULD

> __GERWYN JONES PLEASE SAY WHICH ORGANISATION ?_

>

> ____

>

> (10) WAS THE 9.30 T1C DEPARTURE FROM ABERYSTWYTH DISCUSSED WITH GWYNED

> COUNCIL, ( WHO MANAGE THE T2 CONTRACT),  AND WITH POWYS COUNCIL WHO

> ARE PARTNERS IN THE T2 CONTRACT , IN VIEW OF THE 9.30 T2 ARRIVAL, 9.30

> T1C DEPARTURE IN ABERYSTWYTH.?

>

> _Not directly by officers from Ceredigion County Council. _

>

> Request for Internal Review

>

> _THE ANSWER IS EVASIVE . COULD GERWYN JONES PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION

> ?_

>

> _DOES “NOT DIRECTLY” MEAN “NOT AT ALL”.   DOES “NOT

> DIRECTLY” MEAN “YES BUT INDIRECTLY”_

>

> _DID OFFICERS FROM CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL HAVE NO DISCUSSIONS WITH

> GWYNED COUNCIL REGARDING __THE 9.30 T1C DEPARTURE IN ABERYSTWYTH ?__..

> _

>

> _DID OFFICERS FROM CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL HAVE INDIRECT DISCUSSIONS

> WITH GWYNED COUNCIL REGARDING __THE 9.30 T1C DEPARTURE IN ABERYSTWYTH

> ?__.. _

>

> _DID ANOTHER ORGANISATION HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH GWYNED COUNCIL

> REGARDING __THE 9.30 T1C DEPARTURE IN ABERYSTWYTH AND IF SO WHICH

> ORGANISATION ?__.. _

>

> _WHICH COUNCILS WERE DISCUSSIONS HELD WITH?  – GWYNEDD COUNCIL OR

> POWYS COUNCIL OR BOTH GWYNEDD AND POWYS COUNCILS? _

>

> _ _

>

> _WE ARE LED TO BELIEVE THAT CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL PROCURE AND

> MANAGE A T1C SERVICE CONTRACT AND AGREE A 9.30 DEPARTURE TIME IN

> ABERYSTWYTH, BUT CEREDIGION COUNCIL DID NOT BOTHER TO DISCUSS THIS

> DEPARTURE TIME WITH__ GWYNEDD COUNCIL. GWYNEDD COUNCIL __MANAGE THE

> CONTRACT OF THE T2 9.30 ARRIVAL  IN ABERYSTWYTH WHICH DOES NOT CONNECT

> WITH THE T1C DEPARTURE TIME OF 9.30 INTRODUCED BY CEREDIGION COUNCIL,

> WHO MANAGE THE T1C CONTRACT .  THIS IS NOT A NEIGHBOURLY , FRIENDLY,

> PROFESSIONAL ATTITUDE BY CEREDIGION COUNCIL TO IGNORE THE FACT THAT

> PASSENGERS FROM NORTH OF ABERYSTWYTH CANNOT USE THE NEW T1C COACH

> SERVICE FROM ABERYSTWYTH TO CARDIFF.    IT APPEARS THAT CEREDIGION

> COUNTY COUNCIL ARE COMPLETELY UNCONCERNED ABOUT LACK OF CONNECTIVITY

> IN ABERYSTWYTH.   DESPITE MANAGING TRAWSCYMRU CONTRACTS, BEING

> PARTNERS IN TRAWSCYMRU CONTRACTS AND BEING MEMBERS OF TRAWSCYMRU

> SERVICE DELIVERY GROUPS CEREDIGION COUNTY COUNCIL ARE HAPPY TO SIT AND

> DO NOTHING ABOUT IMPROVING TRAWSCYMRU SERVICES INTO AND THROUGH

ABERYSTWYTH. ___

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From : technical.services@

Date : 31/05/2018 – 16:26 (GMTST)

> To : john.mct@

> Subject : Lack of Connectivity for passengers North of Aberystwyth

> (790340)

>

> Dear Dr McTighe

>

> I refer to your email dated 5 May 2018.

>

> My responses to your questions are as provided in yellow under each.

>

> Yours sincerely

>

> GERWYN JONES

>

> Group Manager – Local Environment Services

>

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>

> Corporate Lead Officer – Highways and Environmental Services

>

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